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Tips on getting listed in Yahoo (and the other big indexes)
(C)1999-2000, Robert Woodhead
Yahoo Dumps Google
Before we begin, a note about terminology. Yahoo Search results currently primarily come from the Bing
Search Engine, which spiders the web looking for pages. Yahoo also has an Index, called the Yahoo
Directory. Way back when, Yahoo searches returned results in the Directory first, then presented
search engine results from other sources. Then they flopped that, and started showing the search
engine results first, followed by the directory results (and if you had a good directory listing,
that change was a black day indeed).
These days, Yahoo search results are mostly from Bing. But, and this is a fairly big "but",
having a listing in Yahoo Directory is a valuable incoming link that will boost your search engine rankings on Google
and other search engines.
However, it costs $299 to apply for a Yahoo Directory listing, and you'll have
to cough up another $299 each year to stay in it (unless your site is 100% non-commercial).
But should you pony up $299 a year for a Yahoo directory listing? My personal opinion is that
you should still wait until your site is profitable before doing so. In other words, when your
site is making you at least a couple of hundred a month in profit, then seriously consider
plowing some of that money back into a Yahoo directory listing. Test your site by doing everything you
can that's free, and if it proves it's a moneymaker, then cautiously try paid listings and pay-per-click.
With that said, here's how you get accepted by the big guys
The big indexes, Yahoo, Open Directory & About.com are
a great source of traffic. But most people don't properly submit to them, and even if they
do get in, their listings are substandard.
NOTE: Due to changes at LookSmart, I can no longer in any way recommend submitting to
them. See below for details.
Proper submission to these indexes is becoming even more crucial because there is
a pronounced trend towards using "human-edited" indexes in search results. In particular,
many of the major search engines are starting to use Open Directory index listings in their
search results, making it the #2 most important place to list your site, behind Yahoo. Some
people would even say it's the #1 place to get listed.
Another thing to consider is that more and more search engines are using link-popularity
as a ranking method (Google is the originator of this technique). Under this system the ranking
of your site depends in part on how many other pages link to yours, and how important those links
are. That means that a secondary benefit of getting a link on major indexes is that
it can improve your ranking on some search engines. You can even hurry this along by, for
example, submitting the pages containing your listings to the search engines!
For example, these days, everyone's favorite search engine is Google, and getting your
site listed in Yahoo! and Open Directory can do wonders for your Google "pagerank". In fact, it
can in some cases be cost effective to pay the $299 a year to maintain a Yahoo! listing just
because of the boost it gives you in Google.
Before we begin, one important word of advice. When you go to submit to one of the major
indexes, please take the time to find and read their submission guidelines, advice and limitations.
The advice below is as accurate as I can make it, but policies change from time to time, and it can never
be 100% up to date. The bigger the search engine, the more picky they are, so take your time and
Furthermore, don't bother wasting your time (and money), if your site falls into one of the following
categories, or uses one of the following techniques. The major indexes consider such sites to be
spam and will not list them:
In addition, the major search engines are actively penalizing/banning sites that employ the following
- Affiliate sites with same or similar content but a different site
- Mirror sites. Submitting mirror URLs to different categories is also
considered spam. Multi-lingual sites are acceptable as long as the URL
resolves to the appropriate language.
- Sites that use redirects or any type of bait-and-switch practice.
Using frames to hide a real URL, commonly referred to as "poor man's
cloaking," is also considered spam.
- Sites whose sole purpose is to drive traffic to affiliate links or
sites that contain these types of links.
- Sites without original content.
- Sites that are repeatedly resubmitted (over 5 times) without being accepted.
People who repeatedly submit spam sites to the big guys have not only been blacklisted, but in
some cases, their previously submitted (and legitimate) sites have been removed. So be nice to
the Indexes, and they'll be nice to you. And credit where credit is due: Chris Sherman's SearchDay
Newsletter is the place to find out what works -- and what doesn't -- with the search engines. For
more info on the newsletter,
use this url:
- Web pages that are built primarily for the search engines and not your
target audience, especially machine-generated pages.
- Pages that contain hidden text and hidden links.
- "Great quantity and little value" pages.
- Link farming and link spamming, particularly free-for-all (FFA) links.
- Cloaking, a practice in which the search engine and the end user do
not view the same page.
- Sites with numerous, unnecessary host names (i.e. poker.abc.com,
- Excessively cross-linking sites to artificially inflate a site's
- Affiliate spam.
Here's how to optimize your listings for
all the big indexes:
Yahoo used to be the big kahuna, and getting listed was imperative. But given the
current way their search results work, the prominence of Google, and a lot of other factors,
paying $299 a year for a Yahoo directory listing may not be worth it. Assuming you think
it is, then:
Yahoo comes in three flavors; the main (original) Yahoo; the international Yahoo sites;
and the regional (city) Yahoo sites. The original site is by far the toughest to get
into, so if your site is in, or relates to, a country or region served by one of the
other Yahoo indexes, you should first try to get listed in them. If you get accepted
by one Yahoo index, you almost always get into them all - and if for some reason getting
into a regional Yahoo index doesn't get you listed in the main Yahoo index, then the
fact that you are in the regional index can be a big help when you apply to the main
index - and you should point it out in your application. Note however that if your
site isn't truly regional, and you do get it into a regional category, that Yahoo may
leave it there and not give you a main index listing.
Warning: Yahoo can be nasty if you try and "game" them.
Trying to get multiple listings can get you banned, and that's the last thing
you want to have happen. There's also a trick some people use to make a free application
into a paid category, which sometimes works, but if it backfires, you're toast -- which
is why I won't explain how to do it (don't email ask, either). Why Yahoo hasn't fixed
it so you can't do this is anyone's guess...
Robert's How-to-get-Yahoo'd Advice
First, decide if you really need a Yahoo Directory listing. It will cost you $299
just to apply (you may not get in, and if you don't, you can kiss the money good-bye). And
if you do get in, it's $299 every year to renew the listing. See my comments at the top of
the page for more details, but honestly, for most sites, a Yahoo Directory listing isn't
Note that you can still submit non-commercial sites to Yahoo for free as long as you don't
submit them to the Business to Business or Shopping & Services sections of Yahoo! You may get in
for free, but it will probably take them months to get around to looking at your submission.
You can pay the fee when you submit a non-commercial site in order to get a faster decision,
and perhaps a little more attention to your submission. But if a free
submission is properly formatted, and the site is decent, you should get in anyway (just slowly).
Also, if you submit properly, don't get in, and you're absolutely sure that your site
is good enough to get into Yahoo, then it might be worth paying to get them
to take another look quickly. But for most non-commercial sites, it's not necessary.
Second, don't even THINK about bothering them until your site is 100% up and running,
with nothing "under construction." Take a look at a few of the sites in the category
you want to be listed in. Is your site as good or better than them? Good site design,
fast loading pages, and relevant content are important. A site with a clean basic
design and lots of good content (like this one!) is more likely to get in than a
flashy hyper-graphic work of art that isn't actually very useful.
One of my favorite sayings is "Perfection is when there is nothing left
to remove." Take a look around your site for anything that's only there to show
how clever you are, and consider removing it. The Yahoo reviewers won't think it's
all that clever.
A subtle gotcha when it comes to getting commercial sites listed on Yahoo is that Yahoo
requires that the site list the physical address of the business somewhere on the site (and
the easier it is to find, the more likely it is that the Yahoo reviewer will find it and you'll
pass this test). This address must be a physical one; post office boxes don't cut it.
Note: several of your fellow users have reported that they've managed to get
listings using post office box addresses, so the rule may not be cast in stone. However,
I'd only use a PO Box if I had no other alternative.
Third, be gently insistent. If you apply (for free) and don't get in after two months, submit again.
If you paid the fee and get rejected, you can appeal the decision, and hopefully get enough information
in order to quickly improve your site and get accepted.
Whatever you do, do NOT bombard Yahoo with submissions. If you apply more
than once a month, they'll ignore you until the end of time.
Another good way to get banned from Yahoo is to submit a site to a regional index
that has nothing to do with that region, or isn't really a regionally limited site. Boy do they HATE that!
If you are still having problems getting in, or getting a change made to your listing, see the note
later in this article about the "secret" Yahoo email address.
How to apply to Yahoo
First of all, I suggest you print out this article so you can have it handy
when you visit Yahoo.
Visit the main Yahoo site or a regional site (as appropriate), and do a search (your site title or domain name is a good one) to determine if you
are already in the Yahoo index or not.
Because Yahoo uses Google for primary results, you need to
search just their directory only, not use their regular search;
the url of Yahoo's main directory search page is:
If you are in Yahoo's directory, then you need to consider asking them
to change your listing using the advice further down on the page. If not, you need to apply for a
Assuming you are not in the index, take your time, and
find the category page that best fits your site. At the very bottom of this page will be a small
"Suggest a Site" link. Click on it to get to the site submission page.
If there is no "Suggest a Site" link, then the page you are on does not
allow listings to be added to it, most likely because it is a very general top-level
A good method for finding the right category page is to do some searches that you think people
looking for your site will do, and see what categories are listed. In the past, the trick was to submit
to the topmost category (so your listing would appear higher up), but this no longer works (in particular
now that the "Web Sites" listings no longer appear!). Instead,
look for a category that has the least number of entries in it, to reduce your chances of being "buried" in
a huge category. This usually means a very specific category. The exception would be if your business name
is alphabetically very high (ie: starts with a number or the letter "a"). Then you'd want to be in the
most general category possible.
If your business is geographically limited in scope (for example, you're a Real Estate Agent),
then you'll want to be in the most specific category you can find in the regional directory section. This
is because Yahoo searches take into account the words in the various category and subcategory names under
which your listing is placed -- it is as if these words are in your title and description. So by being in
such a specific category, you get your state and city names "for free" -- they don't have to be in your
description. Use those precious description words to mention other geographical locators (county) and
Take your time, and carefully read their suggestions on how to submit. They REALLY
mean it. Follow their instructions to the absolute letter, as if they were inscribed
on stone tablets handed down from Heaven. If you break the rules (for example, using
numbers or brand names in your descriptions), forget about getting in. Read those
rules. Re-read them. Re-read them again, out loud.
The #1 mistake people make is that their title and description read like
promotional ad copy. Bad mistake! What Yahoo wants is a descriptive
title and description. No hype allowed! And if you can make your description one sentence of at most
15-20 words, you're less likely to have it edited down!
Apply with an eye to making
the job of the Yahoo reviewer easier; for example,
use the "comments" field in the application
form to point out special things about your site that the reviewer ought to look at.
Three CRUCIAL tips:
First, in each category, Yahoo currently lists sites alphabetically by TITLE. So if
you can come up with a plausible title for your site that starts with a number or the
letter A, B or C, go for it. If I'd known this when I started my site, I'd have
called it autopromotion.com! Note that if you are running a business, Yahoo asks that you use your actual
business name (or your "doing business as" name) as your title. Some Yahoo categories now have
"most popular" sites that are listed first, but at least initially it will be almost impossible for
you to get into one of those slots, so alphabetically high is your best bet. Note however that
most people find things on Yahoo by searching, not by drilling down in the categories, so it isn't
the end of the world if your company name happens to be Zymurgy, inc.
Second, as noted above, unless your site name is alphabetically good, choose a category
with as few entries as possible in it. Ask yourself, "will I be visible on an average browser's
window without scrolling?" If at all possible, you want to be. Don't be upset if you can't
achieve this; it is an advantage, but it's a minor one.
Third, even though Yahoo is depending much more on Google for search results, try to ensure that
your most important keywords appear in the title, description or URL. Work them into the text in a
natural way -- a list of keywords isn't acceptable! Because your title will often
get edited, make sure the really crucial keywords are in the description. And if you can
get a domain name that has your major keywords in it, even better, because they can't edit
your URL! But don't go overboard stuffing keywords. You want something that reads well and
For example, here is my original entry in Yahoo (just recently they edited it again for no
Description: shareservice that automatically registers your site at major search engines. Use it for free, pay only if satisfied.
Even though the Yahoo staff edited down my description, it still has a lot of important
keywords in it. Keep in mind also that Yahoo searches for strings, not words, so if you can
embed keywords inside other words, even better! Looking at my description again, you see
how I did that:
Description: shareservice that automatically
registers your site at major search engines.
Use it for free, pay only if satisfied.
While I wish that it said "registers your website" and somehow had the string "url" in
the description, after I convinced Yahoo to change my description, I got 2-3 times as many clickthroughs
than before. So spending some time crafting a good description is definitely worth it. This advice
also applies to many of the indexes as well.
If you open up a store on Yahoo (Yahoo Shopping), many of the above techniques can
be used to improve your search engine results. The most crucial thing to remember is this:
put all your most important keywords in your store name and store description (not just in
your item descriptions!). This is very important because of the way Yahoo store searches
work. A search will find your product if the search keywords are in the
product description, but if those same words are also in the store
name or description, you will also be listed in the "Merchants" category right at the
top of the page! Since you have control over your store and product titles and descriptions,
you have a great opportunity to get a better listing with Yahoo stores. Most Yahoo
store owners don't understand this -- profit from their ignorance.
My thanks to Wilbur Smith for pointing this out to me!
Whew! Well, that's all my advice. You may also want to read Yahoo's advice on how
to submit to them, which is cunningly hidden on their website. Try looking at their
Submit a Site Help : http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/url/
Best of luck to you.
How to change your listing if you are already in Yahoo
Here is the link for the Yahoo Change Form
Simply go and fill it out. The standard "Read everything three times and follow it to the letter" rules
apply. You can also use this form to get listed in a second category. I must admit that I've not had
much luck getting listings changed recently. If you find something that works, let me know.
The "Secret" Yahoo email address
Yahoo has made available a special email address that you can use to let them know of
problems with your listing (or with getting listed). While not exactly top-secret, it isn't
widely known, so I am telling you this with the understanding
that you not abuse it.
I cannot emphasize this enough! Read these instructions slowly and carefully.
I've used this technique. It works. But beware - Yahoo checks to see if you've "followed
the rules" and won't help you if you haven't.
To get extra assistance with a new site listing, submit the site normally, and if the site isn't listed
within a few weeks, then do a resubmission. If the site still doesn't
appear after a few weeks (and you've followed my advice above to the letter!), then e-mail
assistance. You must send the exact URL that you submitted, but you do not
need to send the categories you submitted to or the actual dates you
If you need a change to your listing, submit the change, wait at least 7-10 days for
processing, then e-mail if a change doesn't appear. With change requests, in addition to the URL,
Yahoo needs the exact date of the change request -- so write it down when you make the request.
This email address is not a way to get priority service, and Yahoo will
likely get really pissed off at you if you abuse it. And the LAST thing you want to do on the
net is get Yahoo angry at you! Typically it will take them 7-10 days to act upon your email,
if in fact they do. If they don't, then do not under any circumstances email
them again. Instead, restart the submission or change process from the very beginning, making
sure you adhere to all their restrictions, and if you still don't get results, try the email
If you are submitting registrations for other people, Yahoo asks that you not use
this email address more than 5 times a week (for 5 different sites, of course), and you must
in all cases go through the normal process before using it.
You can also ask for reconsideration by mail or phone. I have had reports that, as
a last resort, after all else fails, calling and leaving a message on their phone can sometimes
generate a quick response. But this should only be something you do after all else fails, and
you should mention the steps you've taken in the phone message.
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LookSmart (http://www.looksmart.com) is
very similar to Yahoo in scope (though they can't yet match Yahoo's
level of traffic).
In the spring of 2002, LookSmart decided to move from a "pay to apply" model similar
to Yahoo's to a "pay-per-click" model, with a fixed cost of 15 cents per click. They infuriated
the entire webmaster/submissions community when they forced all existing accounts, even ones
people had paid for, into the pay-per-click model (albeit with a credit of $15.00 worth of
clicks a month for 20 months).
Initial reports are that websites are not receiving the clicks that LookSmart says
they are sending. This means the actual cost per real click is much higher than 15 cents,
and so LookSmart has become a very bad deal indeed. Plus, they're sending out deceptive
emails implying that people are being charged for clicks even if they haven't upgraded.
My advice: avoid them like the plague.
If you already have a LookSmart account that has been converted to pay-per-click,
my suggestion is this: wait until early July (the deadline) before accepting conversion of your account, and
set it to the mininum $15.00 a month of clicks (so you don't get charged real money).
LookSmart tries to convince you that you need to give them a credit card number; don't!
It apparently is possible to activate your new account without one.
When your clicks run out, drop them. But under no circumstances give them another
LookSmart's behavior is unforgivable. I expect them to curl up and die relatively
The Open Directory Project
The Open Directory Project (http://www.dmoz.org/),
formerly called NewHoo, is an "Open Source" directory much like Yahoo, but edited by volunteers.
As ODP is now the directory listing source for many search
engines (in particular, Google), it's a must to get listed in. A listing in ODP boosts your Google pagerank almost
as much as a Yahoo listing does!
Note however that ODP's current search facility does WORD searches, not string searches,
so that the keyword embedding technique does not work. So your description for ODP should
avoid pluralized words unless they are likely to be in search queries. On the plus side, you
can have longer descriptions than on Yahoo, but the category editor may edit you down.
Like Yahoo, Open Directory asks that you only submit your homepage URL, to the most
appropriate category (initially, Open Directory allowed multiple URL submissions, but they
have changed their policy recently).
Here is how to submit to Open Directory:
* Go to Google. Type a simple query that is likely to be used by someone
searching for the contents of the page you are submitting. For example, when submitting my
home page, I might enter searches like "register website for free". However, before you hit Return
or Enter to have google search, add " site:dmoz.org" to the end of the query -- this will restrict the query to Open Directory.
* When the search results come back, look for results that seem related to your site, and are clearly category pages on
Open Directory; they will have titles that look like "Open Directory - Category: Subcategory: Sub-Subcategory: ...".
Click on the ones that look most promising and see what those categories actually look like.
* After you've viewed the results of several searches and likely categories,
return to the single category page that you feel is most appropriate for your site.
* At the top of that category page, click on "Suggest URL". This will bring up the
Open Directory submission form.
* Submit your site. All the usual techniques are appropriate. Make a note of the
category you submitted to.
The current "official" waiting period for Open Directory is 3-6 weeks. If you don't get in
after that period, you may resubmit if you want to. I've been told by some editors that becoming
a volunteer editor (and doing good work) can help you get your own sites into the directory
(in particular if you volunteer for a category where your site would fit, because you can then
but I wouldn't recommend becoming an editor just to get your site in; instead become an editor
if you really want to help them out.
Several editors have written to me and said that if you don't get listed in a reasonable amount
of time, a polite email to the category editor (visit the category on the
Open Directory Website and click
on the editor names to email them) can often get you jumped up the queue. No begging, whining
or grumpiness, just a "I think you'll find the site appropriate and this is why..." type of thing.
Disney has announced that they are shutting down Go.com (http://www.go.com/).
About.com (formerly The Mining Company)
About.com (http://www.about.com) is
a well-established index that has sort of evolved into a set of blogs that combine site listings with reviews and editorial content. Each category
is run by a guide, and they decide if you get in. Once you find a category on the site that you think would be improved by a mention of your site, click on the name of the guide that runs it (near the top of the page, to the right of his or her headshot) and then click on the "contact the guide" link and follow
Here are some tips, courtesy of a user who has asked me to refer to him as "Deep Miner"
1. Find the specific sub-category within that site that is appropriate to
place a link. About.com guides want DEEP links, not your homepage perhaps,
but maybe a specific article you wrote. So look through their sites and
then pick and choose articles you've written and submit for inclusion into
a specific sub-category that matches it.
2. Offer a link back. Put a link to their site even before contacting
them and said, "I find your site such a great resource that I've listed you
in our links page." Guides want traffic too, so this reciprocal linking is a
bonus to them.
3. I don't think it's as hard to get listed as Robert thinks, since I've done it for a few purely
commercial sites that don't offer much content but their
site is basically a brochure. You just have to approach it so that there is
incentive for the guide to list the site. These guides are almost always
more responsive than search engines and portals, since there is a specific
person by name with an email address, all of which is made clear at the
Best of luck to you, and may all your submissions be accepted on the
day they were submitted!
Robert Woodhead is well known for writing one of the first computer
roleplaying games (Wizardry) as well as one of the first anti-virus programs
His latest project is http://selfpromotion.com/, a URL-registration power-tool
that helps you promote your site to over a hundred search engines and indexes. You
can use it for free, then if you like it, YOU decide how much you want to pay!